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When I said historically I meant that Jesus, his mother and his disciplines were all Jews, moreover, Jesus himself said in the Old Testament “which is part of the Christians’ holly bible” that he came to reform the Jewish faith and not to create a new one.
All Christians are spiritually Jews, said Vatican II, echoing St. Paul.
Christians inherited from the Jews everything in the Old Testament including the “divine promise” and concept of the chosen people”, that’s why it was not hard for Zionism to be infused into Christianity later on.
Mohammad Riyad
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Well, that is not quite accurate either. Jews have viewed Christ and his Jewish disciples as renegades. And early Christians have viewed Jews as their persecutors. The capitulation of the Christian religious establishment, especially the papacy, before Jews is a relatively new phenomenon, and so is the Zionification of Christianity.
Ibrahim Alloush
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You are raising very important points, but you still did not respond to my claim that Christian like Jews believe in every thing in the "Old Testament" including the "divine Promise" and the concept of the "chosen people"
Moammad Riyad
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If you want to take it to the extreme, fundamentalist Christians applied the concept of 'divine promise' to themselves, not to Jews, hence the Crusades of the Middle Ages for example. But barring such extreme interpretations of the concept of 'divine promise', it's important to keep in mind that Christianity emphasized faith per se, where Judaism emphasized literal adherence to scripture (where Islam emphasizes a fine balance between the two). Christianity is a continuation of Judaism only in the same way Islam is a continuation of Christianity. Early Christians defined their identity in opposition to Judaism. Thus, they interpreted the Old Testament and its propositions in non-Judaic ways, including things like the 'divine promise'. It was only when the Protestant Reformation started that Judaism started to infiltrate Christianity from within. For a historical parallel, think of the 'israeliyat' which infiltrated Muslim scholarship in the Middle Ages.
Ibrahim Alloush
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